in the world about troops being in crimea that they are not there, that he will step back and listen carefully that we would like to see this deescalated. >> that was andrea mitchell's exchange, of course, with secretary of state john kerry this morning on kiev a couple of hours ago. new jersey senator robert menendez joins me now. senator menendez, jack kennedy, our hero, used to figure out the other side, what they were thinking and churchill, everybody's hero, said russia is an enigma, but you have to understand that they have interests. find out what the interests are and you can figure them out. what do you think putin wants? >> well, first of all, you've got to understand putin's mentality, right? putin loves peter the great. why was peter the great? because he amassed moreland for the russian empire. this is part of what putin sees.